If Johnson was doing that much and making roughly $400,000 per season, as Hayes reports, theres a chance its the high end of what assistant coaches are being Or not? But that accelerated this past week, and the aggressive pitch became an offer Thursday. If this is unethical what would you call pitching in the 1990s and earlier? Lateral or step down doesnt really matter when youre making 500K more a year. So why would Wes leave? "He really helped re-instill confidence in me every day," Archer said. Megan Ryan is a Minnesota Twins beat reporter. Johnson, in his southern accent, told the team his priorities were God, his family, and baseball - and that his priorities had gotten out of order. Why would Johnson leave MLB to go back to college baseball? The story is worth checking out, for a number of reasons, but what struck me in reading about it is what it reveals about the compensation for coaches, and what it says about how they are valued. Johnson said this was "the toughest thing" he's ever done. Many of the big college programs even pay their head coaches more than MLB gives to some of their managers. While the offseason is likely filled with recruiting trips and watching some of his own players play in summer leagues, it doesnt match the 162-game grind of an MLB season. I dont think so. FILE - Minnesota Twins pitching coach Wes Johnson, right, holds a meeting on the mound with pitcher Taylor Rogers and catcher Mitch Garver during a baseball game in Minneapolis on Aug. 11, 2019. The team announced bullpen coach Pete Maki will take over Johnson's duties. LSU was very aggressive in the negotiating process and Johnson moved forward even after the Twins asked what they could do to potentially make staying more appealing. I'm very happy for him, but I'm also very disappointed that the best opportunity isn't here.". In many ways they are to college baseball what KU, Duke, North Carolina, etc are to college basketball. So hes getting paid twice as much money, To Coach in 1/3 of the games and you all think its a LATERAL move? Minnesotas decision to hire Johnson was initially met with skepticism. The Lafayette Daily Advertiser reported Johnson's LSU contract has a $380,000 yearly base salary for three years, plus a $800 per month vehicle allowance Its because they dont know how to pitch these days. In this case, at least, the SEC trumps the AL Central, which has the potential to send shockwaves through MLB if other big-time college programs attempt to lure major-league coaches in a similar manner, more than doubling what is a fairly typical salary in the big leagues. Try a week on us. Since College Teams mostly play in their own regions there is less travel, A more stable home life, and players who might actually listen to him. In 2019 at least nine college baseball coaches made more than $1 million annually while eleven MLB managers made less than $1 million. There are only 30 lead pitching coach positions in the highest. Johnson's family lives in Arkansas and he feels he's spending too much time away from his wife and 12-year-old daughter. The news made its way to Twins media relations chief Dustin Morse in the back of the plane, who approached Johnson and Twins manager Rocco Baldelli, seated in a row catty-corner to him. June 26, 11:03PM: Johnson will receive a $380K annual salary from LSU, according to the school, a modest increase over the approximately $350K per year that the coach received from the Twins. The team could rally together and the pitching could improve in his absence or the arms could struggle further. He called him an effective "translator. Kelly left LSU after he was hired as Washington's new coach. Seems weird, because its mid-season MLB, and the odd nature of the hire. However, it may have created an issue within the clubhouse. Are you talking about Wes? @Samuel unethical?? The fact that major league coaches make a fraction of what even the lowest-paid major league player makes speaks volumes to me at least about how major league organizations value coaches. Well, for LSU, its a big recruiting factor to have a former Major League Baseball pitching coach abandon his team to join your program. Report: Marlins eyeing Arraez as Twins renew efforts to shop Eppler: Mets' lineup deep despite losing Correa, Report: Marlins among few teams considering Chapman. It doesnt make this a normal situation, and it has the Twins looking for a new pitching coach. It has also put the Twins in a tough spot, having to replace a key staff member by Friday once Johnson officially leaves after this series. When Falvey hired Johnson in the spring of 2019 to be Minnesota's pitching coach, Johnson became the first coach to make a direct college-to-the-majors jump since 1979, according to Baseball America. The Minnesota Twins begin a massive series against the Cleveland Guardians today, and with the team just two games up, Minnesota needs these games. ", "Some of us understand analytics more than others," he said, "but Wes has a way of getting it through to all of us. 13 in ERA. Neal: Winners in Correa deal? Maki joined the Twins in 2017 after serving as the pitching coach at Duke University. News of his move broke shortly before takeoff to Cleveland, where the first-place Twins open a crucial four-day, five-game series against the second-place Guardians on Monday. From Sarris/Buchanan: No source contacted for this article knew of any pitching coaches who made [$750,000] in the big leagues. I went to the College World Series a few years back when LSU was in. Minnesota Twins pitching coach Wes Johnson is leaving the team for the same role at LSU. So he likely has no interest in going back again. The term sheet he was granted shows a much smaller salary for Wes Johnson, than the $750K first reported. What? According to Dan Hayes, Johnson only let the Twins know about his discussions with LSU on Saturday and the deal was done on Sunday. Sucks to abandon the team, but a salary jump 350K to 750K might be hard to turn down. The Twins are letting him out of his contract so theres no reason to believe that other teams would hold it against him in the future. 6:30PM: In a surprise midseason move, Twins pitching coach Wes Johnson is leaving the team to return to the college ranks, as D1 Baseballs Kendall Rogers (Twitter link) reports that Johnson has been hired as LSUs new pitching coach. Johnson was leaving a good team to take the same position at a lower level, albeit at a school in the powerhouse SEC. Letting him go could be just another example of the Twins being Minnesota Nice and not hindering their future ability to recruit and sign other coaches when that is necessary. Seems odd hed leave in mid-season. There also is the appeal of working with younger pitchers. I expect that hes burned any bridge back to MLB by leaving a division-leading team mid-season. Its a major plus to have when youre trying to get players to join the university instead of going pro. Correa describes twisting road that led back to Twins, Reusse: Correa's return is good, even if some of you won't like it. Minnesota hasthe 11th best ERA in MLB and is in first place in the American League Central. Correa said Twins manager Rocco Baldelli at first told him to keep what he learned about Johnson on the down low. Usually, though, coaches are let go, discarded as teams struggle, but Minnesota's a first-place club with an above-average pitching staff that now has to adjust on the fly. Then of course, theres the money. Wes base from LSU is $380G, but that doesnt include incentives or donor contribution supposedly $700G+ per as total package. Keep in mind that college athletic programs are a major selling point to Alumni Departments when asking for donations. The news was unexpected and, really, pretty strange. Doesnt sound like its known what his status is for the rest of the season. First place who cares? I know he had a positive impact on everyone he worked with and every aspect of our program. With the Twins, Johnsons salary will be upwards of $350,000 annually in a multi-year deal, Kendall Rogers of D1Baseball said in a tweet. College pitchers get ran into the ground while major league pitchers are monitored carefully. I think most teams would feel that he quit on his team for 400,000 personal reasons a year. This looks like an aggressive move from a perennially powerful college baseball franchise. He read the first tweet on his timeline twice. While a few players made their way to the back of the plane to address Johnson - shortstop Carlos Correa was the first to do so - team officials waited until they reached the team hotel to have a proper meeting. "Wes Johnson and others speak about his move to LSU pic.twitter.com/SDuwpnDAB2. With the Twins, and any professional organization, it's more of a collective effort. WebAs of 2022, Wesley Johnsons net worth is $100,000 - $1M. Ability of MLB pitching staff to perform is in doubt. Two springs ago, Johnson brought force plates, which are more popular in golf, to the Twins' spring training complex and had pitchers throw off them to better understand how their kinetic chains were functioning. I do let Wes take control and set up a plan for each one of our guys. That's when the players' smartphones began lighting up. He was with the Mets quite a long time. ", He added: "The biggest adjustment by far is going to be his loss of energy. Chris Fetter the Detroit Tigers pitching coach turned down the head coaching pitching for the University of Michigan. Strip the team, win the same make money off your ignorant butt. They are pitches that I've tried to throw in the past, and he gave me some cues that made it easier for me to be more consistent. He coached in the SEC at Mississippi State and Arkansas before going straight to the majors in his first MLB job. What strikes me about this is what it says about how MLB organizations value coaches. lol. Johnsons recommendations were sure to play a vital role. The Twins were reportedly paying $400,000 a year for Johnsons services, a number thats in line with what a lot of college pitching coaches make. Right there at the end (of Saturdays start) we were just kind of reflecting on the week and outing. As of Sunday night, the team was still working through all of its staffing options. 2023 www.theadvertiser.com. Theres almost no chance a booster is calling the dugout if Johnson wants to send his ace out into the eighth inning. Heck, TJ surgery has moved from an epidemic to an acceptable standard practice. "It's the toughest thing I've ever done," Johnson said. But with an entirely rebuilt starting rotation in 2022, Johnson brought that collective ERA down to 3.78. Leaving for a lateral move sounds bad on the twins. Theyll be highly ranked and a potential favorite next season. Although they made a trade to acquire Jake Odorizzi, nobody reached their full potential until Johnson came aboard in 2019. It will be interesting to see if this is part of an evolving trend. If Im getting my numbers right (and feel free to double check), Johnson will be making 500,000 more dollars a year. Beyond the plan, are we executing the plan? College and MLB seasons don't really track together as college play just LSU baseball pitching coach Wes Johnson, who was hired Monday evening, has signed his three-year contract worth $1.14 million. One current big-league coach guessed that average compensation for big-league hitting coaches was around $285,000 while pitching coaches earned an average of $325,000, which would put Johnsons salary from the Twins on the high end of the big-league scale[.]. 30 years ago.. Pitchers were pitching complete games.. Must miss the college game. Seems weird he'd leave a first-place MLB team in the middle of the season. Right now is when most schools are doing their hiring. Even more peculiar is that the Twins tried to keep Johnson, asking him what they could do to prevent him from leaving, but Johnson didnt bite, opting to leave anyway. And it's baseball, three," Johnson said. A five-game series with the second-place Cleveland Guardians awaited, and the Twins were ready to re-establish themselves as the best team in the division. He was initially hired as minor-league pitching coordinator but was promoted to the major-league staff in 2021, replacing Bob McClure. Not that it matters, since it seems like a pitching coach at a good college program can make much more than in the MLB. I feel like you dont know the meaning of unethical. The value of a marginal win on the free agent market for players has been discussed for years now, and while marginal win value isnt linear for an individual player (a 0 win to 1 win delta for a player has less value than a 3 win to 4 win delta, for example) and depends on each individual teams situation, we can comfortably say that a marginal win is going to be valued at somewhere from $5 to $10 million. It will take a lot of success to overcome that. Samuel, how often do you see a complete game now? Wesley Johnson (born May 23, 1988) is famous for being youtuber. I wonder what he is making as a pitching coach for the Tigers and how much he turned down to go to UM. I give credit to Wes for helping turn a lot of meh Twins pitchers into pretty okay Twins pitchers. His final day with the Twins will be Thursday. I dont try to play pitching coach, Baldelli said earlier this month. Since the start of the 2019 season, Minnesota pitchers rank 10th in baseball in fWAR (46.8), which is a strong total even factoring in the injuries and performance drop-offs that plagued the Twins during their disappointing 2021 campaign. It's my Lord and savior Jesus Christ, one. "I'm never going to get those out of whack.". An extra 400k a year and less miles pressure. But then, when an employee decides to go it is best to let them do so. Time will tell, but if he is successful with LSU, someone will offer him a job in MLB again, imo. ", For Smeltzer, the loss is more about personality and communication. University documents obtained by The Advertiser show that LSU's last pitching coach, Jason Kelly, signed a three-year, $900,000 term sheet. This just shows how much he must hate the Twins or Minnesota. Now that D1 athletes have NIL compensation, that makes that part easier. The college coach makes $400,000 more then the same position in MLB? 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It also explains how colleges provide additional revenue streams aside from the base salary (which Sarris and Buchanan say is $388,000 for LSU) to make the overall package richer than what is publicly reported by the schools. "They grade out with all the metrics as pitches that are really good for me. They had just won the final two games of their homestand and expanded their lead in the American League Central. What Johnson meant to the Twins, and how difficult it will be to replace him under these circumstances, will be seen in the coming weeks as both parties go their separate ways. LSU, meanwhile, was very aggressive in recruiting Johnson. Who loses. "You can't fault a guy for doing what is best for him and his family. Shortstop was No. Johnson was picking up in the middle of a first-place season and moving to Baton Rouge, La., to be the Tigers' pitching coach. Unaware of the shocking news that was coming 24 hours later, Twins right-hander Chris Archer praised Johnson after throwing five shutout innings Saturday against the Rockies, saying Johnsons coaching and support have played a huge role in his improved health and return to effectiveness after several years wrecked by career-threatening injuries. Wes Johnson talked to rookie pitcher Jhoan Duran as teammates listened on Opening Day. Sometimes those answers are very easy, sometimes they are more complex.". Analytics, biomechanics, instilling confidence, game plan. People act like this is the 2nd coming of Jim Schlossnagle or something. Angelos says Orioles won't leave Baltimore, then scolds repo 2023 Baseball HOF preview: Best of this year's 'one-and-done Padres sign top international prospect Salas to reported $5. 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