by LordsofChaos115, Sedris, Grave Defiler. Commander protection is major in this deck, as are ways to untap your commander (because Blue says sleepy sleepy). Obeka, Brute Chronologist - All good things must come to an END Decklist CMC Mana Prices Charts Draw 7 Commander 1 Obeka, Brute Chronologist Hand into play 1 Sneak Attack 1 Purphoros, Bronze-Blooded Token copies of creatures 1 Mimic Vat 1 Flameshadow Conjuring 1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker Graveyard to battlefield 1 Araumi of the Dead Tide They naturally refuse. You can't "but I only did one then you chose no so I do it again" because now you're looping twice to the same board state as a result of the Obeka activation resolution, which is strictly against the rules. If you end the turn with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite), this will move the turn to the cleanup step (C.R. 30-day money back guarantee. The only stipulated way in the rules (for the given scenario) to force your opponent to take an action they don't want to take is via 722.3. You're not winning any games this way; you're just starting arguements at the table. In response you, as the active player, activate obeka. Add to Cart 1; $0.32 . By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. As for some cards to remove, I'll take a look, but if I'm trying to build a deck that can handle attention, I look first at cards that will hurt only 1 player, unless that card will almost certainly end that player, either right away or in a few turns. This doesn't work because you are the active player. Add to Cart 1; 2; $0.63 . I proceed to combat and trigger Myriad off a Broodbirth Viper and end the turn with Obeka, Brute Chronologist before the end of combat to keep the myriad tokens. 2020-11-10. Say you could build a deck around just Goatnapper-ing someone else's commander and now swinging back at them? What if someone else Goatnappers someone else's stuff, and you politic your way into a deal; "Hey, bud, you have a cool creature. One one hand, all actions and decisions are voluntary and not mandatory, so it's not a forced draw. When it comes to Obeka (and [[Sundial of the Infinite]]), there is a difference between "until end of turn" and "at the beginning of the next end step". This site is unaffiliated. Coalition Relic can charge for 1 turn, Skyclave Relic is super versatile/rugged, and Everflowing Chalice can be huge if you want, 6-10 mana is absurd but sometimes comes up. So if you act of treason something and skip your end step, you do get to keep it, but at the end of your next opponents turn the effect triggers again since it's unresolved and open/active. 719.1b), but it will still trigger again at the next appropriate moment (C.R. Visions of Duplicity can create some chaos with it's two casts, Cultural Exchange is obscene if someone else has better creatures. Would it just come down to whoever loses patience first? Mana Cost: Converted Mana Cost: 4. Commander protection is major in this deck, as are ways to untap your commander (because Blue says sleepy sleepy). If you end the turn once it has, the trigger won't ever resolve. I would see how it could be considered a dick move outside a combo meta, but I'm not sure I understand the argument for this being a dick move within that meta. Even though the outcome *COULD* be different, it's not guaranteed to be, so it's just stalling. TappedOut.js Blog Widget, ETB - Create one ore two tokens (Obeka, Kiki-Jiki, Phyrexian Dreadnought & Minamo, School at Water's Edge), Obeka's Ability and "At the end of YOUR turn" actions, Feldon of the Third Path - Loran's Smile (v1.4). What you are looking for are words that qualify that specific end of turn. With the release of Magic 2010, all cards that used to say "at end of turn" were changed to say either "at the beginning of the end step" or "at the beginning of the next end step" (C.R. You are 'looping' only before the resolution of Obeka, putting so many Obeka actions on the stack. A trigger waiting for "the beginning of the next end step" would trigger on the next turn's End Step (assuming it happens, your opponent might have an Obeka too). Also "in turn order" doesn't necessarily mean "starting with the active player". (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. There was a ruling question I had that took forever to understand because it wasn't specified whether she copied the spell "each time she visited the attraction" or "one time when she visited the attraction". (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. Kougaiji38, you seem to have some misconceptions. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. Rule juggling is fun but you're overlooking other rules. From what I understand, end step effects go on the stack and can be canceled by ending the turn with Obeka, but until end of turn effects do not go on the stack and happen with the cleanup step, therefore they cannot be interacted with. by Astroburrito, Kess Wizzards This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. It doesn't work at all. This site 2023 TappedOut.net, LLC It was enjoyable to learn the true back story behind Feldon. Feeds | I play Magic the gathering. 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. @keyframes ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5{0%{transform:rotate(0deg)}to{transform:rotate(1turn)}}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq{--sizePx:0;font-size:4px;position:relative;text-indent:-9999em;border-radius:50%;border:4px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyTextAlpha20);border-left-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);transform:translateZ(0);animation:ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5 1.1s linear infinite}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq,._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{width:var(--sizePx);height:var(--sizePx)}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{border-radius:50%}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq._2qr28EeyPvBWAsPKl-KuWN{margin:0 auto} Because as niche as it sounds, I definitely want to run thawing glaciers in an obeka deck, and an extra mana could be the difference between entering an infinite turn loop with isochron. Doesn't work at all. This includes spells and abilities . 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Obeka, Brute Chronologist rulings: 2020-11-10: Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. by darrenhabib 1 year ago. This site is unaffiliated. 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Anyway, I just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything on this. I may have to put it together and try it out. I untap and retap Obeka with the same question. Rince and repeat for each opponent, effectively only giving them untap and upkeep steps until an answer is found, which might be hard without a draw step. Commander / EDH Multiplayer Tokens UBR (Grixis) Cobara86. After commander legends I made an Obeka EDH list. Imagine the following scenario: [[Aphetto Alchemist]] equiped with [[Illusionist's Bracers]] with our commander out. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Obeka, Brute Chronologist rulings: 2020-11-10: Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. by DavidBray, Obeka, Temporal Mistress If I put a +1/+1 counter on a creature that has a -1/- Can i exile my commander from the graveyard into the Press J to jump to the feed. It would be the active player not the one who started the loop. lothshteth. Okay, hear me out, but what if you could steal someone's big, bad creature, forever, for just three mana*? I'm sure no one else is too surprised though . In order for it to be considered a shortcut loop you must propose all actions involved including your opponents. Let's Brew with Obeka, Brute Chronologist as our commander on. Therefore you must make your opponent's choice to be to not end the turn in order to even propose the loop to begin with. ._3-SW6hQX6gXK9G4FM74obr{display:inline-block;vertical-align:text-bottom;width:16px;height:16px;font-size:16px;line-height:16px} - from the comprehensive rules. The game advances through the lowest number of iterations chosen and the player who chose that number receives priority. either he does it once and tries to do it again and he's repeating the board state before "demonstrating a loop", or he's stacking x number of unresolved obeka activations. All in all, lots of Magic on my mind. 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